full-of-shit

A-Kliinika and other "experts"

I asked the following questions:

What amount of alcohol do a need to consume to have a alcohol problem? No reply...
Do I have a alcohol problem when I drink one beer per day? yes..
What about 2 beers or 2 glasses of vine on the weekend? If you do it regularly you have a dependency = problem= you need treatment
Interesting was the formula of the Irti Huumesta ry: Drugs ( illegal drugs are huume in Finnish and legal drugs is called medicine ) are bad for you. If you start using drugs you will be needing more and more, it will change your personality, you will become a liar and bad person. Me " What about one joint just on weekends? No reaction from there site or reactions that pointed out that any amount of illegal drugs were bad. I tried to compare cannabis to alcohol and expected them to say that one beer a day or 2 drinks once a week are no problem but they disagreed with me.
I do remember the time I went to A-Kliinika and they asked me about my drinking habits. Me " one bottle of vine" She " per day?" Me " No once a week " She do you drink it all?" Me yes but during the week. one to two glasses per day but not every day " I could see from her reaction that 0,7 liter of vine is not a problem if it takes you one week to drink it. So why the different reaction on the conference on November 10 2010? Why this zero tolerance reaction? Perhaps because if the would have said one beer per day is OK I ( or others ) would have said " well then one joint a day must be OK too". Truth they know all the facts but they pretend not to know. The facts: Proposition 19 in California for legalizing cannabis, the health report by the UN and WHO. The report in a scientific British magazine telling that alcohol is worse than Crack and heroine. So their only policy could be: If you are using intoxicants ( in Finland even sweets belong to this group ) on a regular base ( but without defining the amount or the intervals ) you are a substance addict. So from now on even one beer per day makes you a case for treatment. They have no case nor any arguments or valid facts against cannabis so their approach will be the following: " We know that tobacco is bad for your health and bit by bit we will remove it from circulation. They will also start a campaign against alcohol and in time get enough Fins behind them to prohibit alcohol again. Their " humanitarian " point of view not to put drug users in jail for drug use is not based on their compassion but on the fact that most drug users use cannabis. That heroin addicts need treatment or might die in jail but above all it has to do with their working placer. " Oh, you smoke 1-2 joints per month? You need treatment then". Which means money for them. Prescriptions for the doctors ( and money again ). According to government statistics 3 1/2 million Fins use alcohol 10% of them or roughly 350.000 Fins drink almost as much as the rest. 9 Fins drink together 5,5 liter and one Fin alone drinks 4,5 liter. 0,55 liter versus 4,5 liter. So why do they want to punish 90% of the alcohol users because 10% of them can't handle alcohol and why falsely claim that 1-2 beers per day ( not everyday ) constitutes an addiction which is nonsense.
See the figures below as what amount of alcohol is considered either safe or low risk. Those people on the conference of " Paihdeilmastamuutos" of November 10 2010 were full of SHIT!

http://weeklyworldnews.com/headlines/24307/alcohol-worse-than-heroin/

LONDON - A new study shows that, in Britain, alcohol use causes more harm than heroin and/or crack.

Alcohol is the most dangerous drug in England by a large margin, beating heroin and crack cocaine into second and third place, according to an authoritative study published today which will reopen calls for England’s drug classification system to be scrapped and a concerted campaign launched against beer, wine and hard liquor.

The study examined nine categories of harm that drugs can do to the individual “from death to damage to mental functioning and loss of relationships” and seven types of harm to others. The maximum possible harm score was 100 and the minimum zero.

Overall, alcohol scored 72 – against 55 for heroin and 54 for crack. The most dangerous drugs to their individual users were ranked as heroin, crack and then crystal meth. The most harmful to others were alcohol, heroin and crack in that order.

For overall harm, the other drugs examined ranked as follows: crystal meth (33), cocaine (27), tobacco (26), amphetamine/speed (23), cannabis (20), GHB (18), benzodiazepines (15), ketamine (15), methadone (13), butane (10), qat (9), ecstasy (9), anabolic steroids (9), LSD (7), buprenorphine (6) and magic mushrooms (5).

Dn Shenker, the chief executive of Alcohol Concern in London, said : “What this study and new classification shows is that successive governments have mistakenly focused attention on illicit drugs, whereas the pervading harms from alcohol should have given a far higher priority. Drug misusers are still ten times more likely to receive support for their addiction than alcohol misusers, costing the taxpayer billions in repeat hospital admissions and alcohol related crime. Alcohol misuse has been exacerbated in recent years as government failed to accept the link between cheap prices, higher consumption and resultant harms to individuals and society.”

The Obama Administration quickly reacted to the study and is putting together a bill for Congress banning alcohol in all 50 states. “We need to take good care of our citizens,” said Robert Gibbs, the White House Press Secretary, “and if they we can’t let them drink alcohol anymore. It’s just too dangerous.”

The White House hopes that the new Prohibition Law will pass swiftly through Congress and be the law of the land by New Year’s Eve.

“We have been fighting a war on drugs for over three decades and we’ve never listed alcohol as an enemy in that war,” said David Axelrod, Senior Adviser to the President. “Alcohol is now public enemy number 1!”

Even though the Administration wants to ban alcohol, they are supporting California’s Prop 19, which will legalize marijuana in the Golden State.

“Pot is good for you, alcohol will kill you,” said Valerie Jarrett, White House senior adviser. “We will no longer be serving alcohol and White House state dinners, but there will be plenty of Afghan Train and Thai Sticks at the event. “

Say no to alcohol, say YES to pot!
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I think Obama banning alcohol is just a joke.
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The guidelines are general guidelines applying to a 'typical' person
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recommended_maximum_intake_of_alcoholic_beverages
Weekly maximum drinks

    Denmark: 252g[13]
    Finland: 15 units (@11g = 165g/week)[13]
    Ireland: 21 units (@10g = 210g/week)

People taking medications or other drugs, if contraindicated , p12) "Numerous classes of prescription medications can interact with alcohol, including antibiotics, antidepressants, antihistamines, barbiturates, benzodiazepines, histamine H2 receptor antagonists, muscle relaxants, nonnarcotic pain medications and anti-inflammatory agents, opioids, and warfarin. In addition, many over-the-counter and herbal medications can cause negative effects when taken with alcohol." Others include analgesics, aspirin, insulin, and oral contraceptives. "The list of medications that may interact with alcohol is so long that you should always consult a pharmacist or physician before drinking while using any medicine."
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One bottle of vine per week = 0,7 liter 11% alcohol = 77 g alcohol
I thinking "maximum" means taking more than the "maximum " will cause you harm.
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http://www.drinkingandyou.com/site/uk/biggy.htm

Sensible Drinking

Worldwide Recommendations on Alcohol Consumption

COUNTRY

AUTHORITY

standard unit

MEN

WOMEN

advice

max g/day

max g/wk

advice

max g/day

max g/wk

AUSTRALIA

National Health and Medical Research Council

10g

for a healthy man, four standard drinks per day with two alcohol-free days per week is regarded as low risk

for a healthy woman, two standard drinks per day with two alcohol-free days per week is regarded as low risk

AUSTRIA

Bundesministerium für Gesundheit und Konsumentenschutz

see right

	Standard drinks per week
Definition	Men	Women
Low risk	up to 21	up to 14
Moderate risk	21-50	15-35
High risk	over 50	over 35

Trinkeinheiten - standard drinks - are defined as 125ml of wine; 300ml of beer; or 20ml of spirits. This equates to approximately 12g of beer or wine; or 6g of spirits.

CANADA

Committee of Health and Welfare

13.5g*

no more than seven drinks per week

94.5*

no more than seven drinks per week

94.5*

Addiction Research Foundation (endorsed by Royal College of Physicians and Surgeons of Canada, Canadian Medical Association and others)

13.6g

	Amount of alcohol per week
Definition	standard drinks per week	as g of pure alcohol
Low risk	1-14	182
Moderate risk	15-34	195-442
High risk	35+	455

"As a general guideline, persons should not drink more than two standard drinks in any day". A standard drink is defined as 12 ounces of beer; 5 ounces of wine; or 1.5 ounces of spirits

CZECH REPUBLIC

National Institute of Public Health

none

0-24g of alcohol per day is "comparatively safe"

0-16g of alcohol per day is "comparatively safe"

The recommendations are for adults over 18, without any disease which "could deteriorate because of alcohol (e.g. epilepsy)," not engaged in risky behaviours and not taking medicines interacting with alcohol

DENMARK

Sundhedsstyrelsen

12g

no more than 21 drinks per week

252

no more than 14 drinks per week

168

Advises: "Skip the drinks on every day/Save them for weekends or special days!"

FINLAND

Oy Alko AB

11g

no more than 15 drinks per week

161

no more than 10 drinks per week

110

FRANCE

Academy of Medicine

12g

maximum of 5 drinks per day

maximum of 3 drinks per day

GERMANY

No official guidelines

HUNGARY

17g

ICELAND

9.5g

IRELAND

An Roinn Slainte (Department of Health)

Three units per day

Two units per day

Advises: "Less Is Better" (1996)

ISRAEL

Ministry of Health

none

"no advice in relation to sensible levels of drinking"

ITALY

Ministero della Sanità/Società Italiana di Nutrizione Umana

10g

40g per day, but 30g for elderly men, which must not exceed 10% of the caloric intake

30g per day, but 25g for elderly women, which must not exceed 10% of the caloric intake

The Ministero della Sanità publishes guidance tables as part of LARN (National Recommended Energy and Nutrient Intake Levels).
The tables give alcohol consumption limits for a range of body weights in men and women and and for wine at 10%, 11% and 12% abv, and for spirits (superalcoholico) plus 11% abv wine.

JAPAN

Ministry of Health and Welfare

19.75g

two drinks (go's) of sake per day at the most

39.5

NETHERLANDS

Ministrie van Welzijn, Volksgezondheid en Cultuur

9.9g

The Dutch government adheres to the advice of the World Health Organisation that 'less is better' and suggests ["two or three units a few times a week"]

NEW ZEALAND

Alcohol Advisory Council of New Zealand (ALAC)

10g

no more than 21 standard drinks per week and no more than six on any one occasion

210

no more than 14 standard drinks per week and no more than four on any one occasion

140

PORTUGAL

Conselho Nacional de Alimentacao e Nutricao (CNAN)

14g*

Wine only. Estimates based on 150ml serving. (source: ARISE)

37.3

261.1

18.6

130.6

ROMANIA

Health Ministry

up to 32.5g as beer or 20.7g as wine per day

20.7-32.5

up to 17.3g as beer or 10.8g as wine per day

10.8-17.3

SPAIN

INESIBA

10g*

40-44g per day

40-44

40-44g per day

40-44

Ministry of Health & Consumption

10g*

30g per day

20g per day

moderate drinking is considered to be 100-420g of alcohol per week

Basque Country

Department of Health & Social Security

maximum of 1g per Kg of body weight per day

70¹

maximum of 0.5g per Kg of body weight per day

28²

Catalonia

Central Authority

8-10g

advises not exceeding 40-50g per day

SWEDEN

Systembolaget

	Amount of alcohol per week
	Men			Women
Definition	as 40% spirits	as ml pure alcohol	as g of pure alcohol	as 40% spirits	as ml pure alcohol	as g of pure alcohol
Not dangerous	up to 15cl^a	60	47	up to 12cl^b	48	38
Low risk	up to 40cl	160	126	up to 30cl	120	95
Intermediate risk	up to 75cl	300	237	up to 55cl	220	174
High risk	up to 125cl	500	395	up to 95cl	380	300
Very high risk	over 125cl	over 500	over 395	over 95cl	over 380	over 300

Notes: a - or 5 bottles of beer, or two thirds of a bottle of wine b - or 4 bottles of beer or half a bottle of wine

UNITED KINGDOM

Department of Health

"Maximum health advantage" for men over 40 lies between one and two units a day

8-16g

advice on weekly consumption is avoided

"Maximum health advantage" for postmenopausal women lies between one and two units a day

8-16g

advice on weekly consumption is avoided

Regular consumption of between three and four units a day for men of all ages "will not accrue significant health risk"

24-32g

Regular consumption of between two and three units a day by women of all ages "will not accrue any significant health risk"

16-24g

Consistently drinking four or more units a day is "not advised as a sensible drinking level"

32g+

Consistently drinking three or more units a day is "not advised as a sensible drinking level"

24g+

UNITED STATES

Department of Agriculture/ Department of Health and Human Services

14g³

no more than two drinks per day

28g

no more than one drink per day

14g

A standard drink is defined as 12 ounces of regular beer (one bottle); a 5 ounce glass of wine; or 1.5 ounces of 80-proof distilled spirits

Advises: "If you drink alcoholic beverages, do so in moderation, with meals, and when consumption does not put you or others at risk"

Notes: 1 - for a 70Kg man; 2 - for a 56Kg woman; 3 - Wine Institute suggests 12g for wine; *approximate/unofficial figure